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Showing posts with label floor. Show all posts
Showing posts with label floor. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 27, 2013

Aliya Mustafina vs Vanessa Ferrari (2012 Floor Final)


Mustafina clearly had better execution with stuck landings and no hip angle when she landed.  Ferrari clearly had more difficulty, starting off with a double twisting double back somersault and performing a new element in the CoP, a ring leap 1/1.

Vanessa Ferrari

Judge’s score: 14.9

D Score: 6.2
E Score: 8.6

My score: 14.8

D Score: 6.2
E Score: 8.6

[Deductions – 1.4]
.1 low landing on double double
.1 step on double double
.1 leg separation on full in
.1 hop on back tuck (after full in)
.1 stood in corner too long before 3rd tumbling pass
.1 leg separation on 1.5 twist
.1 hop on front full
.1 hop on split leap 1.5
.1 lack of precision on split leap 1.5
.1 feet were not together on “ferrari” leap landing
.1 leg separation on double pike
.1 low landing on double pike
.1 hop on double pike

Aliya Mustafina

Judge’s score: 14.9

My score: 14.9


D Score: 5.9
E Score: 9.0

[Deductions – 1.0]
.1 cowboyed double Arabian
.1 crossed legs on 2.5
.1 leg separation on punch front full
.1 lack of precision on memmel turn
.1 step on double back
.1 crossed legs on triple twist
.1 stood in corner too long before triple twist
.1 low landing on triple twist
.1 hop on triple twist

Verdict:  Aliya deservedly took her 4th Olympic medal. 

Wednesday, August 14, 2013

My opinion on getting rid of the Lunge

So many gymnasts just used this rule to cheat.  A CONTROLLED step is fine but if you look like you had to take a step then it should be a deduction.  And technically, this is a subjective thing.  Maybe that step looked controlled to one judge but not to another, so 1 judge deducts and the other doesn't.

I mean c'mon! These are olympic class and world class gymnasts and they cant stick their tumbling passes?  1 lunge is fine in a routine, just like the men can do the rollouts on 2 of their tumbling passes, but any more than that is just babying the gymnasts.  If these girls can't stick double doubles and double layouts then maybe they shouldn't be doing them in the first place.  I'm not trying to insult the gymnasts because what they do is incredible and most people in the world can't do what they do but I don't see why they shouldn't have to stick the landing like the men.


One more thing... Why the **** couldn't the men lunge like the women?!?!?


On the plus side i do LOVE the leaps out of the tumbling passes.  I don't really get why most people hate them.  In my opinion, it's more artistic than the lunge because you're combing acrobatic and dance elements just like you would do on the balance beam.  Furthermore, the leap connections increases the gymnast's difficulty value on the floor which is a good thing because floor exercise is usually judged pretty harshly.  With the leaps, floor is one step closer to having equal scoring with the rest of the 3 apparatus.

That being said, I only like the leaps when they're done right, which is pretty much every gymnast except Lauren Mitchell.

The lunge rule was nothing more than sexist and unfair rule and I'm glad it's gone. #deuces

Monday, August 5, 2013

Nastia vs Shawn (WHO REALLY SHOULD HAVE WON)


Shawn Johnson vs Nastia Liukin

Vault: This was the apparatus in which Shawn had a huge advantage over Nastia.  Shawn performs a 2.5 twist compared to Nastia’s 1.5 twist.  Shawn’s start value was a full point higher than Nastia.  Therefore, unless Shawn fell on her butt she was pretty much guaranteed a higher score than Nastia.

Nastia’s Vault: Hands down the best vault Nastia’s ever done.  She definitely made the most out of her less difficult vault with a stuck landing and lovely form to boot.  She really lacks a good block off the vaulting table to perform a harder vault but performs her less difficult vault here with the utmost perfection.



Judge’s score: 15.025

D: 5.5
E: 9.525

My score: 15.1

D: 5.5
E: 9.6

[Deductions: 0.4]
0.1 lack of height
0.1 lack of distance
0.1 did not land in the middle of the mat
0.1 low landing (deviation from ideal position)

Shawn’s Vault: In warmups, Shawn performed possibly one of the best Amanars I’ve ever seen her do, just like Tim Dagget said.  She’s no Mckalya Maroney on vault but her power, short stature, and good form make this a good scoring event for her.  In terms of deductions, she had a large step on the landing.  Even more importantly though, Shawn’s vault was quite under rotated.  It was really more like a 2.25 twisting yurchenko.  Regardless of how under rotated a salto is, the CoP states that the highest deduction for being under rotated (without a fall) is 0.1.



Judge’s score: 15.875

D: 6.5
E: 9.375

My Score: 15.8

D: 6.5
E: 9.3

[Deductions: 0.7]
0.1 lack of height
0.1 lack of distance
0.1 under rotated
0.1 low landing (deviation from ideal position)
0.3 step on landing
0.1 did not land in middle of the matt

Uneven Bars: Just like Shawn had the advantage on Vault, Nastia had the advantage on the Uneven Bars.  She shared the highest start value in the world at the time, a 7.7, with 2 Chinese gymnasts: He Kexin and Yang Yilin.  Her long lines, high release moves, and difficult pirouettes make this a good scoring apparatus for her. On the other hand, Shawn is not as strong on the bars so she needed to rely on getting a huge execution score to combine with her lower difficulty score.

Nastia’s Bars:  A nice clean routine from Nastia sans the dismount.  Most of her deductions came from her handstands and the dismount.



Judge’s Score: 16.650

D: 7.7
E: 8.950

My Score: 16.5

D: 7.7
E: 8.8

[Deductions: 1.2]
0.5 Insufficient extension in kips or casts/lack of handstand in kips and casts (x5)
0.1 late handstand on ono ½ pirouette
0.1 leg separation on pak salto
0.1 cowboyed double front
0.1 low landing
0.3 step on landing

Shawn’s Bars: This is without a doubt Shawn’s weakest event but she’s definitely not a bad bars worker.  She’s ‘spectacular’ on beam and floor but is just ‘good’ on bars.  The important thing here was to try to execute everything as perfectly as she could, which she managed to do with her ‘G’ rated dismount. 



Judge’s Score: 15.733

D: 6.6
E: 9.133

My Score: 15.8

D: 6.6
E: 9.2

[Deductions: 0.8]
0.4 Insufficient extension in kips or casts/lack of handstand in kips and casts (x4)
0.1 bent arms when catching the bar on Ginger
0.3 late handstand on pirouette

Balance Beam: Nastia was the reigning world champion on this event while Shawn got last place in the beam finals at the 2007 worlds.  However, Shawn has a 0.3 advantage in terms of difficult over Nastia.  However, when you do the bigger and harder skills (such as the standing full and the full in dismount that Shawn does) it leaves more room for the judges to deduct on low landings and possible steps.  While Nastia lacks the acrobatic prowess that Shawn possesses, she still manages to bring accumulate a large D score with her difficult leaps that require her to lose complete sight of the beam momentarily.

Nastia’s Beam: What frustrated me was that the judges gave her connection bonus for her supposed Onodi + Wolf Jump 1/1 combination when she clearly did not connect the skills.  I mean even Tim freakin Dagget, who is an idiot, was blabbing on about how she didn’t deserve the connection.  Regardless, this was a clean set from the world champion and she certainly deserved that high execution score.



Judge’s score: 16.125

D: 6.7
E: 9.425

My Score: 16.0

D: 6.6
E: 9.4

[Deductions: 0.6]
0.1 heel dropped prematurely on full turn
0.1 slight shuffle on side somersault
0.1 arm movements used for balance ‘Liukin’
0.1 head not held long enough on switch ring leap
0.1 slight balance check on switch ring leap
0.1 crossed legs on 2.5 twist

Shawn’s Beam: This routine had something I’ve never seen Shawn do, a balance check.  She also had quite a few low landings on some of her acrobatic elements because they are so difficult to perform.



Judge’s Score: 16.0

D: 7.0
E: 9.0

My score: 16.0

D: 7.0
E: 9.0

[Deductions: 1.0]
0.1 leg separation on layout
0.1 bent legs on piked front
0.1 low landing on piked front
0.3 low landing on standing tucked full (chest touching knees)
0.1 balance check on standing full
0.1 lack flexibility on switch split leap
0.1 legs not parallel to beam on Johnson
0.1 low landing on full in (chest at hip level)
0.1 step on full in

Floor Exercise: Shawn was the reigning world champion on floor and technically had a more difficult routine than Nastia.  Just like on balance beam, even though Nastia’s routine doesn’t seem as hard as Shawn’s, Nastia was only 0.2 lower than Shawn’s potential D score.  Nevertheless, the judges didn’t always credit her switch ring leap and her straddle jump 1.5 so she didn’t get her difficulty advantage over Nastia. 

Nastia’s Floor: She’s had to rework her entire routine so that she’s pretty much only doing front tumbling due to an ankle injury, which prevents her from doing back handsprings.  Nastia also has some form issues (crossed legs on her twists and an EXTREMELY cowboyed double front) however the code only allows 0.1 deduction no matter how cowboyed a salto is or how badly a gymnast crosses his or her legs during twists.  Despite her form issues, Nastia does not suffer from low landing deductions like most gymnasts because it is easier to land upright when doing a front tumble (even though it has a blind landing)







Judge’s Score: 15.525

D: 6.2
E: 9.325

My Score: 15.3

D: 6.2
E: 9.1

[Deductions: 0.9]
0.1 crossed legs on double twist
0.1 cowboyed legs on double front
0.1 hop on split leap 1/1
0.1 crossed legs on 1.5
0.1 crossed legs on 1.5 punch front
0.1 hop on 1.5 punch front
0.1 leg not held at horizontal on turn
0.1 hop on switch leap ½
0.1 crossed legs on 2.5

Shawn’s Floor: At this point, Nastia was leading Shawn by an enormous 0.6.  In gymnastics terms, where the line between gold and silver can be differentiated by a thousandth of a point, Nastia was light years away from Shawn.  She needed a number in the 16’s to catch up to Nastia, something that just wasn’t possible on floor exercise.  Shawn knew that but still gave a huge and powerful floor routine that was certainly worthy of a medal.  Shawn performed one of the best double doubles I’ve ever seen her do and finally competed her front 1/1 + front rudi combination.  However, she had the usual big uncontrolled step on her whip to triple twist combination and the lack of rotation in her straddle jump 1.5.



Judge’s score: 15.525

D: 6.1
E: 8.933

My Score: 15.5

D: 6.3
E: 9.2

[Deductions: 0.8]
0.1 hop on double double
0.1 early rotation on triple twist
0.1 uncontrolled step on triple twist
0.1 lack of flexibility on switch ring leap
0.1 legs not parallel to floor on Johnson ½
0.1 lack of precision on straddle leap 1.5
0.1 step on straddle leap 1.5
0.1 uncontrolled step on full in

- Verdict –

JUDGE’S SCORES

Nastia Liukin’s AA score: 15.025 + 16.650 + 16.125 + 15.525 = 63.325
Shawn Johnson’s AA score: 15.875 + 15.733 + 16.0 + 15.525 = 62.725

MY SCORES

Nastia Liukin’s AA score: 15.1 + 16.5 + 16.0 + 15.3 = 62.9
Shawn Johnson’s AA score: 15.8 + 15.8 + 16.0 + 15.5 = 63.1

It wasn’t so much that Shawn was under scored but that Nastia was over scored. Personally, I have a feeling the judge’s preferred Nastia’s graceful and elegant style over Shawn’s powerful gymnastics.  The fact that Nastia won by over 0.6 is absolutely ridiculous and totally sounds fishy to me.   Granted, people complain about Nastia's form issues like her crossed legs during twists and cowboyed saltos but each one of those is only a 0.1 deduction.  No matter how bad form errors may look they're only just 0.1 in deductions.  

Regardless of who won it was already too late.  Shawn was already considered America’s sweetheart with her perky attitude and pixie like stature.  She was reminiscent of America’s first sweetheart, Mary Lou Rhetton.  Even though Shawn didn’t have the gold medal on her neck, from the endorsements and media attention she was getting, it seemd like she had actually won.  (Infact, I didn’t watch the 2008 Olympics but I remember hearing about and seeing Shawn Johnson everywhere.  It wasn’t until I actually started watching gymnastics that I knew who Nastia was and that she actually had actually won the all around and not Shawn.  So in a way, I do think Shawn did win...

Monday, July 29, 2013

Gabby Douglas vs Viktoria Komova … COLD WAR STYLE

Disclaimer: I am NOT nor will I EVER be a Women’s Artistic Gymnastics judge.  I’m certainly not qualified for the position… nor am I a woman.  I am simply stating my opinion on the performance of the athletes, the scoring of the judges and finally who should have won the All Around in my opinion.

Setting: One year ago, the Women's Artistic Gymnastics All Around Competition at the 2012 Olympics.  Only one gymnast would leave the arena with the coveted jewel of gymnastics, the All Around title.  Everyone knew that coming in the real battle would be between USA's Gabrielle Douglas and Russia's Viktoria Komova.  Viktoria Komova of Russian Federation was the number 1 qualifier coming into the competition.  She lost the World Championships by 0.033 (that's 33 THOUSANDTHS of a point) to Jordyn Wieber and everyone knew that Komova was coming to the Olympics to get the title and she wasn't looking for a bronze or silver.  Gabby Douglas was a relatively new gymnast on the international stage.  Her first major international competition was the 2011 Worlds where she did not qualify to the AA because both Aly Raisman and Jordyn Wieber qualified ahead of her (sound familiar?).  Since then Gabby has been slowly climbing up the ranks while upgrading to an Amanar vault and finally gaining some mental steadiness on the balance beam.

Vault: Many argue that this was the event that really sealed Viktoria’s silver laden fate and I agree with this statement.  Under this new CoP vault has been the highest scoring event.  Thus, it’s important to begin your competition off with a strong vault (just ask Nastia and Shawn)

Both of the Olympic debutants performed that 2.5 twist, the Amanar. This was the hardest vault being performed in the all around and the hardest vault that was performed successfully at the Olympics (I’m looking at you Yamilet Peña) Thus it all came down to the execution.

Gabby’s Vault: Gabby performed a nice consistent vault, nearly identical to the ones she performed in the Team Qualifications and in the Team Finals.  It almost looks like she crosses her legs during the twists but in reality she doesn’t so the judges may have taken off for that because they do not use the convenient replay button ...

My Score: 15.8

D: 6.5
E: 9.3

[Deductions: 0.7]
0.1 lack of height
0.1 lack of distance
0.1 started twisting too early
0.2 steps on the landing
0.1 bent knees right before landing
0.1 did not land in the middle of the line

Viktoria’s Vault: I’m not really sure what happened here.  She gets nearly the same height as Gabby and is a bit more off the side than her but she could have saved the vault by just talking a step off the side with just one of her feet.  I’m not exactly sure what was going through her mind as she was performing this vault.



Judge’s score: 15.466

D: 6.5
E: 8.966

My score: 15.2

D: 6.5
E: 8.7

[Deductions: 1.3]
0.1 lack of height
0.1 lack of distance
0.1 crossed legs during twisting
0.1 started twisting too early
0.1 bent knees right before landing
0.1 did not landing in the middle of the line
0.3 big step after landing
0.1 another small step after her first one
0.3 both feet stepped out of bounds

Uneven Bars: If there was an area where Komova could have taken Gabby, much like in the Team Finals where the Russians could have taken the lead over the Americans, it was on the Uneven Bars.  Vika had a 0.4 advantage over Gabby in difficulty alone and had outperformed the American gymnast in Team Qualifications and in the Team Finals.

Viktoria’s Bars:  As stated earlier, Komova had the advantage on the Uneven Bars, she was the reigning world champion and had one of the highest difficult values in the competition, a 7.0  She has a massive array of skills like a laid out Jaeger (G) and a double double dismount (F).  The only real problem with her routine is that instead of connecting skills together, Komova separates them by performing simple handstands.  She does very difficult skills so her difficulty is still extremely high, however it leads to a possible deductions for the judges to take off because it is nearly impossible to hit a PERFECT 180 degrees on those handstands.



Judge’s Score: 15.966

D: 7.0
E: 8.966

My Score: 15.9

D: 7.0
E: 8.9

[Deductions: 1.1]
0.3 lack of 180 degrees on handstand (x3)
0.1 slight piked form on laid out Jaeger
0.1 leg separation on piked Tkatchev
0.3 lack of handstand on Giant ½
0.3 big hop after Fabrichnova (Double Double) dismount

*Funny how she got the same execution for a nearly flawless bars routine as her botched vault…* But I’ll blog about the judging disparities between apparatuses a little bit later…

Gabby’s Bars: Known as the “Flying Squirrel” to the World, Douglas stays true to her given nickname and really does some sky high release skills.  She doesn’t have Komova’s difficulty but I would say her routine is constructed better than Komova’s due to having fewer cast to handstands and more connections.  Though many state otherwise, Gabby’s form is just as good as Vika’s on this piece of apparatus.  I sort of did expect Komova to do better than Gabby in terms of execution but I really struggled to find deductions in Gabby’s routine.



Judge’s Score: 15.733

D: 6.6
E: 9.133

My Score: 15.8

D: 6.6
E: 9.2

[Deductions: 0.8]
0.1 lack of handstand after endo with ½ turn
0.1 slight leg separation on piked Tkatchev
0.1 late pirouette (finished after handstand)
0.1 lack 180 degrees on handstand
0.1 piked form on double layout
0.3 hop on double layout

Balance Beam: This apparatus has caused much trouble to many great gymnasts but both Gabby and Vika managed to get through the blight of women’s gymnastics unscathed with only a few tenths lose here and there.

Viktoria’s Beam: Komova had a great beam routine in the Team Qualifications and managed to qualify into second place in the Beam Final with a score of 15.266.  Her beam routine the Team Finals however was less than stellar, especially towards the end.  She had trouble with her first major connections (Full turn with leg at horizontal – Aerial Walkover – Back Tuck – Sheep Jump) and definitely missed some connections in her routine as she had a maximum 6.6 Difficulty value but was only given a 6.4



Judge’s score: 15.441

D: 6.4
E: 9.041

My Score: 15.5

D: 6.4
E: 9.1

[Deductions: 0.9]
0.1 leg dropped abruptly after full turn
0.1 balance check on standing Arabian
0.1 lack of flexibility on sissone
0.1 balance check on front tuck
0.1 step after switch leap
0.1 cowboyed double Arabian
0.3 step on double arabian

Gabby’s Beam: If there was one event that had Marta Karolyi biting on her fake ass nails it was the beam.  Gabby has shown many a time that she simply cannot handle the mental pressure while performing on the beam.  However, all throughout the Olympic Games Gabby performed amazingly on the beam (with the exception of the balance beam finals) Nevertheless, Gabby was definitely over scored on beam by a couple of tenths, I don’t think the judges were strict enough on her low landings, some of which were at hip level.




Judge’s Score: 15.5

D: 6.5
E: 9.0

My score: 15.2

D: 6.5
E: 8.7

[Deductions: 1.3]
0.1 balance check on layout step out
0.1 low landing on the standing back with full twist
0.1 balance check on full twist
0.1 balance check on back pike
0.1 low landing on back pike
0.1 lack of flexibility on sissone
0.1 low landing on back tuck
0.1 squat on tucked front
0.1 balance check on switch ring leap
0.1 low landing on double pike (head at hip level)
0.3 hop on double pike

Floor Exercise: Both Komova and Douglas had trouble on the floor in Qualifications, with both of them scoring in the high 13’s.  Gabby had a huge mistake on her double Arabian pass and literally flew out of bounds due to having too much power.  The difficulty value given to her by the judges was also significantly lower than what it could have been due to underotating her leaps and turns.  Although Komova did not have a huge error like Gabby did, she did not stick a single one of her tumbling passes and gave away valuable tenths on hops and steps on the landings.

Gabby’s Floor: Gabby finished her Olympic All Around experience with yet another consistent and great routine.  She hit all of her tumbling passes and only had minor errors on some of the dance elements.  She was not given her full 6.2 difficulty most likely due to under rotating her split leap 1.5.  Although not as refined as Komova’s, Gabby’s floor was unique and the crowd certainly took a liking to the catchy and clap worthy music.



Judge’s score: 15.033

D: 6.1
E: 8.933

My Score: 15.0

D: 6.1
E: 9.0

[Deductions: 1.0]
0.1 crossed legs on triple twist
0.3 hop back after triple twist
0.1 step back after split leap 1.5
0.1 excessive preparation for pirouette
0.1 fell out of turn
0.1 stood in corner too long before starting 3rd tumbling pass
0.1 low landing on full twisting double back
0.1 hop forward on the full twisting double back

Viktoria’s Floor:  Komova definitely delivered with perhaps the best floor routine at the entire Olympics.  The Komova we all saw that day on Qualifications seemed to be replaced by this great floor worker out of nowhere.  She stuck ALL of her tumbling passes (besides a small shuffle on her triple twist) and managed to up her difficulty and decrease her landing deductions by adding leaps after some of her tumbling passes.  This was a very smart and seemingly veteran decision on her part.



Judge’s Score: 15.1

D: 6.0
E: 9.1

My Score: 15.2

D: 6.0
E: 9.2

[Deductions: 0.8]
0.1 cowboyed double Arabian
0.1 cowboyed double back
0.1 hop on split leap 1/1
0.1 crossed legs on triple twist
0.1 hop on triple twist
0.1 stood in corner too long before 4th tumbling pass
0.1 low landing on double pike
0.1 leg separation on double pike

- Verdict –

JUDGE’S SCORES

Gabby Douglas’s AA score: 15.966 + 15.733 + 15.5 + 15.033 = 62.232
Viktoria Komova’s AA score: 15.466 + 15.966 + 15.441 + 15.1 = 61.973

MY SCORES

Gabby Douglas’s AA score: 15.8 + 15.8 + 15.2 + 15.0 = 61.8
Viktoria Komova’s AA score: 15.2 + 15.9 + 15.4 + 15.2 = 61.7

As you can see from the results I feel that Gabby was slightly over scored on vault and quite over scored on the beam.  Komova was judged pretty fairly but wasn’t deducted enough on her vault.  So in my opinion Gabby did deserve to win the 2012 Olympic All Around title. '

Despite this, I feel like people don’t give Gabby enough credit though.  Komova definitely left a lasting impression on the judges and the audience with her immaculate floor routine but we can’t forget her huge mistake on the vault.  She’s a lovely gymnast with so much grace and power but it just seems like she gives up too easily. Obviously if Komova didn't comletely come off the mat on her vault she would have walked away with the gold medal... but I don't believe in 'if's' and 'buts'.  In the end, Gabby certainly did have 4 consistent routines and after all isn’t that what it means to be the All Around champion?

Wednesday, July 17, 2013

Double twisting double back vs Full twisting double layout ???

The FIG is infamous for devaluing various skills each quad, especially if they have been performed a lot.  Their logic is simple: if this skill has been performed by many gymnasts then it's obviously too easy. Nevertheless, in the 2013 - 2016 quad the FIG actually upgraded the hardest skills on women's floor exercise: the the double twisting double back (AKA the double double or 'Silivas') and the full twisting double layout (FDL) from a G rating to an H rating.

I've seen many people on the gymternet argue about which skill is harder to throw, the double twisting double back (AKA the double double or 'Silivas') or the full twisting double layout (FDL) .

One way to deduct which skill is harder is to look at the active number of gymnasts performing the skill.  Looking at the 2012 London Olympics, 5 girls threw the double double during the competition: Jordyn Wieber (USA), Vanessa Ferrari (ITALY), Anastasia Grishina (RUS), Victoria Moors (CAN), Larisa Iordache (ROM).  Interestingly, not a single woman performed the full twisting double layout.  Perhaps because it is harder?

Perhaps another way to look at this conundrum is look at the skill right below.  For example, a double double is really just a full in with another twist.  Likewise, a FLO is just a double layout with a full twist.  A full in on floor is an E rating while a double layout is an F.

Personally I think the FLO is harder to chuck than the double double because of these reasons and more.  I've seen double doubles that are lacking in height (*cough*Anastasia Grishina *cough*) but in terms of form breaks, I have never seen a double double with ''bad form".  The gymnast always has her legs glued together throughout the tucked position.  On the other hand, I rarely see a double layout or a FLO with perfect form because it is so difficult to do so.  The gymnast always seems to have their legs separated at some portions if not all throughout the somorsault.  Sometimes the gymnasts pike a little as well.

Conclusion: The FLO is just a bit more difficult in my opinion.  However, in the end, it will all depend on the gymnasts individual abilities and talents :)